The model – a basic representation

As has been outlined by Tom Torero and Nick Krauser there are five stages to the London Daygame model: Approach, Stack, Vibe, Investment and Close. Initially you learn basic lines to not only get through the conversation but also to learn the way the model works. However only through practical experience can this be done, as you become more confident with the model you start to see patterns consciously and unconsciously.

Blogging can be a great way to identify these patterns. Last year I started out very well. The issue was as soon as I hit a good vibe I unconsciously abandoned the model and sailed on the a vibe ocean. Later when my vibe dissipated, I wondered why. Below is what I’m roughly doing now and what I need to keep at the front of my mind, which should keep me on track.

To successfully stop a moving girl, it is important to do a nice arc and get directly in front of her. This brings better initial reactions. Unless you have quite good vibe on that particular day, girls will start to walk off (at which point you can then either keep talking or stick your hand out).

Once you are in front of the girl it is incredibly important to smile with an aura of cheekiness. You can really feel you’re flirting with her. But remember you’re giving her a good feeling, this is not just for you.

Once you have said your opener, continue smiling you and cheekily paint a picture why she stood out and mythologise it. Continue onto making an assumption (stack) about her country. If she is English* or you cannot waffle on about her country make an assumption about her job. Remember to speak slowly.

The country is the main topic during the vibing stage, it is usually harder to vibe about her job, but you must keep a fun cheeky vibe. At some point during vibing she will ask you a question or it will just feel more like a conversation, she is no longer looking to continue what she was doing (even girls in a rush). She’s hooked, time to reel her in.

At the investment stage, slow down entirely, you’re now getting to know her. Learn 2 or 3 investment questions. Don’t forget to tell her a bit about yourself, you don’t want her not texting you back. The two investment questions I use are: What do you do for fun? Why are you here in London of all places?

Finally when closing, do not ask, assume the sale. Something like “Look [name] I think you’re quite nice? What’s your number? I’ll take you out for a drink sometime”.

A couple of things to remember:

  • When approaching try not to do a BMXesque 180 to stop her, the type which makes you land on your back foot.
  • From any stage from when her momentum has stopped to the end of the conversation you can talk about yourself, anything will do.

Case study: I did a set on Sunday and just thought every part of it was perfect. It was a Cypriot girl who was walking very quickly with high heels down Carnaby street. We spoke about Cyprus but it still didn’t hook until we spoke about her studying corporate finance. I said it was very obvious she did something corporate because of her high heels and stomping around like she owned the place. I went into investment and closed on a high.

*This is not set in stone, not all English girls are harder, you can merely talk about what she’s wearing i.e. I approached a girl a couple of weeks ago, I told her she looked like a cowboy with her hat, but was hoping she’d have some leather boots on (random I know, but it was all in the non-verbals). We then went on to speak about her job and how she ran away from home to work in currency exchange booth. She then hooked.

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3 thoughts on “The model – a basic representation

  1. ‘At the investment stage, slow down entirely, you’re now getting to know her. Learn 2 or 3 investment questions. Don’t forget to tell her a bit about yourself, you don’t want her not texting you back. The two investment questions I use are: What do you do for fun? Why are you here in London of all places?’

    I question whether it’s necessary to tell her about yourself. I would definitely do it if asked.

    It surprises me that those count as investment questions. I have been feeling like I don’t do this phase properly. Like I don’t understand this phase. Perhaps you are not choosing to go into detail here, but my question is, are these not just hairdresser questions? Also, I find that ‘what do yo do for fun’ is a question that is boring for girls to answer because they don’t have an answer to it. Too much work for the girl. A friend from California asked me that. Probably because there is a lot to do in California. Also, what is it you are looking for when you ask these questions? Just because you ask these questions doesn’t mean it will connect. What is making a connection?

    • I feel you are looking at this far too logically. But then again, my description is written in a logical way. When you do get to the investment phase you can feel there is a bit of a back and forth exchange with the girl. These questions are just to keep you on track.

      Questions like this are all about context. Generally I ask “Why are you here in London?” because this question is a sub-question of the nationality theme.

      Spiking (which I need to consciously get into my game) is not only a way to keep the conversation fun for both, but is also a test to see if she fancies you. A question like “What do you do for fun?” is essentially a qualifying question, from there you can use the topics she gives you to chat a bit more.

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